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		<title>Comment on Atlantic Mag: Public Housing Demos Cause Crime Spike by Dan Lavoie</title>
		<link>http://www.equityblog.org/2008/06/30/atlantic-mag-public-housing-demos-cause-crime-spike/#comment-102</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Lavoie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great points, Barbara. There is a song by the band Soul Coughing with the recurring line: "correlation is not causation." It kept bouncing through my head the entire time I read the piece. I was similarly struck by the somewhat facile argument that underlaid the entire article. I still think it was an interesting piece and one worth reading, but it seemed to me to be kind of faux-contrarian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points, Barbara. There is a song by the band Soul Coughing with the recurring line: &#8220;correlation is not causation.&#8221; It kept bouncing through my head the entire time I read the piece. I was similarly struck by the somewhat facile argument that underlaid the entire article. I still think it was an interesting piece and one worth reading, but it seemed to me to be kind of faux-contrarian.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Atlantic Mag: Public Housing Demos Cause Crime Spike by Barbara Samuels</title>
		<link>http://www.equityblog.org/2008/06/30/atlantic-mag-public-housing-demos-cause-crime-spike/#comment-101</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara Samuels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.equityblog.org/2008/06/30/atlantic-mag-public-housing-demos-cause-crime-spike/#comment-101</guid>
		<description>The Rosin article is a sensationalized, and perhaps deliberately deceptive, piece of "journalism."  There are a lot of problems with the article, but  the 2 most basic are:

1. The article creates the impression that the movement of low income households in Memphis was the result of some grand liberal social experiment, suggesting it had something to do with Gautreaux or MTO, when in fact neither had anything to do with Memphis.  The article is actually about HOPE VI, the latest generation of urban renewal.  In Memphis, as in other cities, public housing families were involuntarily displaced from demolished projects.  You have to read the article very carefully to discern that they didn't move as part of a Gautreaux-type voluntary mobility program, and were relocated to declining city neighborhoods, not the suburbs.  HOPE VI should be critiqued for doing relocation “on the cheap.”  But there is nothing particularly new or noteworthy about the fact that low income families, when displaced by urban renewal projects, move into the next ring of vulnerable minority neighborhoods.  

2. The reporter violates the first rule we all learned in Soc 101 --- correlation does not prove causation.  There isn’t any data, much less peer reviewed research, from Memphis that shows the movement of the displaced families into the identified neighborhoods “caused” an increase in crime.  A more plausible explanation is that the displaced families moved into areas that were already economically declining (that is why the landlords were willing to accept their vouchers) and where crime was on the increase.  Certainly the idea that crime rates are higher in poor or declining neighborhoods is no news flash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Rosin article is a sensationalized, and perhaps deliberately deceptive, piece of &#8220;journalism.&#8221;  There are a lot of problems with the article, but  the 2 most basic are:</p>
<p>1. The article creates the impression that the movement of low income households in Memphis was the result of some grand liberal social experiment, suggesting it had something to do with Gautreaux or MTO, when in fact neither had anything to do with Memphis.  The article is actually about HOPE VI, the latest generation of urban renewal.  In Memphis, as in other cities, public housing families were involuntarily displaced from demolished projects.  You have to read the article very carefully to discern that they didn&#8217;t move as part of a Gautreaux-type voluntary mobility program, and were relocated to declining city neighborhoods, not the suburbs.  HOPE VI should be critiqued for doing relocation “on the cheap.”  But there is nothing particularly new or noteworthy about the fact that low income families, when displaced by urban renewal projects, move into the next ring of vulnerable minority neighborhoods.  </p>
<p>2. The reporter violates the first rule we all learned in Soc 101 &#8212; correlation does not prove causation.  There isn’t any data, much less peer reviewed research, from Memphis that shows the movement of the displaced families into the identified neighborhoods “caused” an increase in crime.  A more plausible explanation is that the displaced families moved into areas that were already economically declining (that is why the landlords were willing to accept their vouchers) and where crime was on the increase.  Certainly the idea that crime rates are higher in poor or declining neighborhoods is no news flash.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Atlantic Mag: Public Housing Demos Cause Crime Spike by Justin Massa</title>
		<link>http://www.equityblog.org/2008/06/30/atlantic-mag-public-housing-demos-cause-crime-spike/#comment-99</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Massa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 13:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.equityblog.org/2008/06/30/atlantic-mag-public-housing-demos-cause-crime-spike/#comment-99</guid>
		<description>The interview on The Takeaway (which someone turned me onto last week and I've been loving) is interesting, but I was a bit disappointed that Briggs didn't raise the issue of discrimination. One of our board members frequently says that with along with racial and ethnic integration comes a more equal distribution of the "hard to house" - families who need lots of support and scaffolding. When discrimination leads to concentrated poverty, community structures in those neighborhoods are overburdened and most times unable to deal with the sheer numbers of families who might benefit from their assistance. That process of "discrimination (and other factors) -&#62; concentrated poverty -&#62; increased crime" is where I was hoping both The Atlantic article and responses to it would have focused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The interview on The Takeaway (which someone turned me onto last week and I&#8217;ve been loving) is interesting, but I was a bit disappointed that Briggs didn&#8217;t raise the issue of discrimination. One of our board members frequently says that with along with racial and ethnic integration comes a more equal distribution of the &#8220;hard to house&#8221; - families who need lots of support and scaffolding. When discrimination leads to concentrated poverty, community structures in those neighborhoods are overburdened and most times unable to deal with the sheer numbers of families who might benefit from their assistance. That process of &#8220;discrimination (and other factors) -&gt; concentrated poverty -&gt; increased crime&#8221; is where I was hoping both The Atlantic article and responses to it would have focused.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Atlantic Mag: Public Housing Demos Cause Crime Spike by Dan Lavoie</title>
		<link>http://www.equityblog.org/2008/06/30/atlantic-mag-public-housing-demos-cause-crime-spike/#comment-98</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Lavoie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.equityblog.org/2008/06/30/atlantic-mag-public-housing-demos-cause-crime-spike/#comment-98</guid>
		<description>I meant www.TheTakeaway.org. It helps to spell things right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant <a href="http://www.TheTakeaway.org." rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://www.TheTakeaway.org.');">http://www.TheTakeaway.org.</a> It helps to spell things right.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Atlantic Mag: Public Housing Demos Cause Crime Spike by Dan Lavoie</title>
		<link>http://www.equityblog.org/2008/06/30/atlantic-mag-public-housing-demos-cause-crime-spike/#comment-97</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Lavoie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.equityblog.org/2008/06/30/atlantic-mag-public-housing-demos-cause-crime-spike/#comment-97</guid>
		<description>Glad to see you sent that letter, Justin. This was quite a hot topic on a number of the blogs I read and podcasts I listen to, as well. If you haven't listened to the interview from this morning's The Takeaway, take a few minutes to do it. Clearly, behind the scenes the producers of the show thought the Atlantic piece was nonsense. So, they had Hanna Rosin on and really laid into her -- pushing back on her premise very hard. That is rare in the comity-filled world of big-time journalism. It's a really interesting listen -- and Xavier de Souza Briggs gives some much-needed perspective to the controversy.

(As a sidenote, The Takeaway is a new product of WNYC, New York's public radio station, as well as a few other media types like the NYT and BBC. After a rocky start a few weeks ago, the show is really coming into its own. It's like Morning Edition if it went off it's ADD drugs. This morning, they interviewed two regular guys named Wally to get their reviews of the new Pixar film Wall-E. The show is weird, irreverant and sometimes straight-up rude to its guests....but I'm really growing to love it. Check it out at www.TheTakewaway.org)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to see you sent that letter, Justin. This was quite a hot topic on a number of the blogs I read and podcasts I listen to, as well. If you haven&#8217;t listened to the interview from this morning&#8217;s The Takeaway, take a few minutes to do it. Clearly, behind the scenes the producers of the show thought the Atlantic piece was nonsense. So, they had Hanna Rosin on and really laid into her &#8212; pushing back on her premise very hard. That is rare in the comity-filled world of big-time journalism. It&#8217;s a really interesting listen &#8212; and Xavier de Souza Briggs gives some much-needed perspective to the controversy.</p>
<p>(As a sidenote, The Takeaway is a new product of WNYC, New York&#8217;s public radio station, as well as a few other media types like the NYT and BBC. After a rocky start a few weeks ago, the show is really coming into its own. It&#8217;s like Morning Edition if it went off it&#8217;s ADD drugs. This morning, they interviewed two regular guys named Wally to get their reviews of the new Pixar film Wall-E. The show is weird, irreverant and sometimes straight-up rude to its guests&#8230;.but I&#8217;m really growing to love it. Check it out at <a href="http://www.TheTakewaway.org" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://www.TheTakewaway.org');">http://www.TheTakewaway.org</a>)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Atlantic Mag: Public Housing Demos Cause Crime Spike by Justin Massa</title>
		<link>http://www.equityblog.org/2008/06/30/atlantic-mag-public-housing-demos-cause-crime-spike/#comment-96</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Massa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.equityblog.org/2008/06/30/atlantic-mag-public-housing-demos-cause-crime-spike/#comment-96</guid>
		<description>As you can imagine this story has ruffled the feathers of many in the affordable housing world, mine included. Not a week goes by when I don't get a call at my day job (www.clccrul.org) from a Housing Choice Voucher holder who has been illegally discriminated against while seeking housing, having been turned away based on their race, familial status, or source of income (a protected class in Chicago and a handful of other places, but not Memphis). Below is the text of an e-mail I sent to the editors of The Atlantic:

Dear Editors,

in "American Murder Mystery" Hana Rosin neglects to mention one of the largest factors influencing the lives of Housing Choice Voucher holders who are thrust into the private market - illegal (and sometimes legal) discrimination. The vast majority of Voucher holders are African American and they are disproportionally disabled and single mothers. Race, familial status, and disability-based discrimination are the most frequently occurring forms of housing discrimination. When you add into the mix that landlords in Memphis and its suburbs can legally discriminate against a prospective tenant based on their source of income (such as a Housing Choice Voucher), the picture for a family seeking an affordable apartment in a decent neighborhood becomes awfully bleak. Tack on the prejudices that most  hold about those who previously lived in public housing and the picture is downright depressing. How many landlords do you think there are that will willingly rent to disabled, African American single moms who are former residents of public housing? And, for those handful of landlords who will willingly rent to these families, where do you think their apartments are located?

Housing discrimination plays an enormous role in our now mostly voucher-based public housing system. If we expect tenants to be successful in the private market, they need support and training but also the opportunity to fully participate in that market. Otherwise, HUD should re-name their "Housing Choice Voucher" as the "Crappy Apartment in a High Crime Neighborhood Voucher".

Sincerely,

Justin Massa
executive director
MoveSmart.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you can imagine this story has ruffled the feathers of many in the affordable housing world, mine included. Not a week goes by when I don&#8217;t get a call at my day job (www.clccrul.org) from a Housing Choice Voucher holder who has been illegally discriminated against while seeking housing, having been turned away based on their race, familial status, or source of income (a protected class in Chicago and a handful of other places, but not Memphis). Below is the text of an e-mail I sent to the editors of The Atlantic:</p>
<p>Dear Editors,</p>
<p>in &#8220;American Murder Mystery&#8221; Hana Rosin neglects to mention one of the largest factors influencing the lives of Housing Choice Voucher holders who are thrust into the private market - illegal (and sometimes legal) discrimination. The vast majority of Voucher holders are African American and they are disproportionally disabled and single mothers. Race, familial status, and disability-based discrimination are the most frequently occurring forms of housing discrimination. When you add into the mix that landlords in Memphis and its suburbs can legally discriminate against a prospective tenant based on their source of income (such as a Housing Choice Voucher), the picture for a family seeking an affordable apartment in a decent neighborhood becomes awfully bleak. Tack on the prejudices that most  hold about those who previously lived in public housing and the picture is downright depressing. How many landlords do you think there are that will willingly rent to disabled, African American single moms who are former residents of public housing? And, for those handful of landlords who will willingly rent to these families, where do you think their apartments are located?</p>
<p>Housing discrimination plays an enormous role in our now mostly voucher-based public housing system. If we expect tenants to be successful in the private market, they need support and training but also the opportunity to fully participate in that market. Otherwise, HUD should re-name their &#8220;Housing Choice Voucher&#8221; as the &#8220;Crappy Apartment in a High Crime Neighborhood Voucher&#8221;.</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Justin Massa<br />
executive director<br />
MoveSmart.org</p>
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		<title>Comment on Walkable? Sure. But to where? by mac</title>
		<link>http://www.equityblog.org/2008/06/06/walkable-sure-but-to-where/#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator>mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 23:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.equityblog.org/2008/06/06/walkable-sure-but-to-where/#comment-93</guid>
		<description>thanks for that! my spot got a 75.  i was thinking it was less... gotta go; im off for a walk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for that! my spot got a 75.  i was thinking it was less&#8230; gotta go; im off for a walk.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lessons from the Farm Bill by Sheryl Higgins</title>
		<link>http://www.equityblog.org/2008/06/12/lessons-from-the-farm-bill/#comment-90</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheryl Higgins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.equityblog.org/2008/06/12/lessons-from-the-farm-bill/#comment-90</guid>
		<description>I am still awe struck by the fact that such an unpopular bill can be passed into law, especially one so unpopular that it unites groups which are otherwise at each others throats. But the fact that this may very well be the first time equity has been part of this bill is no small victory, and as Judith points out, perhaps these are seeds for vast change if we notice them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am still awe struck by the fact that such an unpopular bill can be passed into law, especially one so unpopular that it unites groups which are otherwise at each others throats. But the fact that this may very well be the first time equity has been part of this bill is no small victory, and as Judith points out, perhaps these are seeds for vast change if we notice them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lessons from the Farm Bill by Rajni Banthia</title>
		<link>http://www.equityblog.org/2008/06/12/lessons-from-the-farm-bill/#comment-89</link>
		<dc:creator>Rajni Banthia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.equityblog.org/2008/06/12/lessons-from-the-farm-bill/#comment-89</guid>
		<description>It is promising to know that the latest farm bill does not just mean more gloom and doom for the movement to increase access to healthy foods in underserved communities. On another note, the inclusion of tax credits for the production of biofuel has created a dilemma. With soaring oil prices and the wrath of climate change bearing its furor in the form of one natural disaster after another, the need for alternative fuels is undeniable. Using more corn to produce ethanol means less high-fructose corn syrup will be manufactured, which is a big win in the fight against obesity. However, many blame this new biofuel policy in part for skyrocketing food prices due to the subsequent decrease in consumable supply. Environmental and health advocates are at rare loggerheads. Figuring out a balance will be a major – and perhaps defining – challenge for advocates on both sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is promising to know that the latest farm bill does not just mean more gloom and doom for the movement to increase access to healthy foods in underserved communities. On another note, the inclusion of tax credits for the production of biofuel has created a dilemma. With soaring oil prices and the wrath of climate change bearing its furor in the form of one natural disaster after another, the need for alternative fuels is undeniable. Using more corn to produce ethanol means less high-fructose corn syrup will be manufactured, which is a big win in the fight against obesity. However, many blame this new biofuel policy in part for skyrocketing food prices due to the subsequent decrease in consumable supply. Environmental and health advocates are at rare loggerheads. Figuring out a balance will be a major – and perhaps defining – challenge for advocates on both sides.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Global Recipe for Disaster by Erin Hagan</title>
		<link>http://www.equityblog.org/2008/06/11/a-global-recipe-for-disaster/#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin Hagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.equityblog.org/2008/06/11/a-global-recipe-for-disaster/#comment-87</guid>
		<description>The 2002 World Health Report stated, “Much of the world’s disease burden is the result of under nutrition among the poor and over nutrition among the better-off.  Most of the risks are strongly related to patterns of living and particularly to consumption – either too much or too little.”  Worldwide, when considering mortality, morbidity, and decreased quality of life, chronic diseases account for the greatest overall population disease burden.   
Roland Sturm, a health economist at the Rand Corporation, compared the effects of obesity with those of smoking, heavy drinking, and poverty on chronic health conditions and health care expenditures. His results showed obesity to be the most serious health problem both in terms of chronic illness and health spending. 
The situation is espeically troublesome in developing countries where they are struggling with a "dual burden of disease" -- malnourished and obese people living in the same household.

The following link provides more information about the phenomenon of the dual burden of disease:

http://www.prb.org/Articles/2006/TheDualBurdenofOverweightandUnderweightinDevelopingCountries.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 2002 World Health Report stated, “Much of the world’s disease burden is the result of under nutrition among the poor and over nutrition among the better-off.  Most of the risks are strongly related to patterns of living and particularly to consumption – either too much or too little.”  Worldwide, when considering mortality, morbidity, and decreased quality of life, chronic diseases account for the greatest overall population disease burden.<br />
Roland Sturm, a health economist at the Rand Corporation, compared the effects of obesity with those of smoking, heavy drinking, and poverty on chronic health conditions and health care expenditures. His results showed obesity to be the most serious health problem both in terms of chronic illness and health spending.<br />
The situation is espeically troublesome in developing countries where they are struggling with a &#8220;dual burden of disease&#8221; &#8212; malnourished and obese people living in the same household.</p>
<p>The following link provides more information about the phenomenon of the dual burden of disease:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.prb.org/Articles/2006/TheDualBurdenofOverweightandUnderweightinDevelopingCountries.aspx" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://www.prb.org/Articles/2006/TheDualBurdenofOverweightandUnderweightinDevelopingCountries.aspx');">http://www.prb.org/Articles/2006/TheDualBurdenofOverweightandUnderweightinDevelopingCountries.aspx</a></p>
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